318: Inside COP: The New World Order - power, politics and the green pie
As China rises, the BRICS expand and the United States retreats, the global balance of power is shifting. This week we ask, can climate diplomacy keep up?
About this episode
The global balance of power is shifting. Can climate diplomacy keep up?
As China rises, the BRICS expand and the United States retreats, new power blocks formed by competition and conflict will take centre stage in the negotiations in Belem.
In this week’s Inside COP, Tom Rivett-Carnac, Christiana Figueres, Paul Dickinson and Fiona McRaith ask: what will it take for COP30 to foster genuine cooperation in a changing world? And who will get a slice of the new green economy?
They are joined by Bernice Lee of Chatham House, who explores how multipolar geopolitics, resource security, and the race to ‘share the green pie’ are transforming climate diplomacy. And Joanna MacGregor, Senior Adviser to the Executive Secretary of the UNFCCC, sets out why progress is still being made despite global headwinds - and what implementation success could look like in Belém.
From populism to geopolitics, the team asks: can climate ambition survive an age of competition? And what lessons from past COPs might help Brazil carve out space for collaboration in a fractured world?
Learn more:
🌍 Check out the official COP30 website for background and announcements
💡 Dive into Chatham House’s work on subjects including climate policy, energy transitions, and natural resources
🤝 Read ‘Will China and the BRICS fill the ‘leadership gap’ on climate change?’ from Carbon Brief
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Lead Producer: Ben Weaver-Hincks
Video Producer: Caitlin Hanrahan
Audio Editor: Ned Carter Miles
Exec Producer: Ellie Clifford
Commissioning Editor: Sarah Thomas
With thanks to Groundswell and Global Optimism.
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Your hosts

Christiana Figueres

Tom Rivett-Carnac

Paul Dickinson

Guests
